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Church Renovation Committee Meeting – Meeting #1
August 14, 2006
Present:
Fr. Bernie, Rodney Bell, Marie Gazzola, Ralph Gorgi, Ralph Tersigni, Vicki
Veri, Therese Wright
Regrets: Julie Bianci, Bill Dubuc, Martin Grey, Sean Farrelly,
Catherine Feren, Mary Lynn Woods
Opening Prayer: Rodney Bell
Election of Chair and Secretary:
Rodney - temporary chair until a permanent chair is found.
Therese - secretary
Discussion on Background, Aims & Objectives
Fr. Bernie met with Bishop Tonnos and John O’Brian of the Diocese to discuss the responses from the parish survey and the town hall meeting. Bishop Tonnos is fully supportive of moving forward with renovation plans, however, suggested we have more homework to do before presenting anything to the parish. Their feedback was:
1) To study the documents provided from St. Thomas the Apostle Parish in Waterdown to help model our own planning process. These included:
i. Report Detailing the Requirements and Recommendations for a New Church and Associated Facilities (addressed parish concerns)
ii. Scope of Work for Architectural Services for the new St. Thomas the Apostle Church and Associated facilities (final document to architect)
iii. Canadian Standard form of Contract for Architectural Services (lays out the architects services, client responsibilities & other terms of the contract)
iv. Prayerfully consider how to approach the parish community and how to keep the community updated so that they continue to support this project. 130 responses from 1,000 surveys are not enough to consider the parish “on board”.
2) Formulate exactly what we want before approaching an architect to generate a plan.
3) Raise 30% - 50% of our own funds before the Diocese will approve the project
Renovation needs:
1) A more inclusive worship space
Some primary considerations are altar area, tabernacle, layout of pews,
baptismal font and chapel space, sacristy and gowning area
2) More office space & meeting rooms
Decide whether or not we convert the current rectory into office space and
meeting rooms and obtain a residence off site for the priests or renovate
existing church space
i. for office space, determine
a) the needs of the pastor, associate pastor, lay pastoral
associate, lay ministry coordinator, music director and administrative assistant
b) the proximity of these offices to the main entrance (narthex)
ii. for meeting rooms, consider
a) space for private meetings with pastor, associate pastor next to or within
their office space
b) meeting space needs for the many parish groups & youth
c) needs of children’s religious education programs
3) Storage Space for:
i. cleaning supplies in several strategic locations
ii. church decorations
iii. group ministry supplies
4) Narthex (entrance), consider,
i. Gathering space required for funerals, weddings, baptisms, Palm Sunday
processions, graduation masses etc. prior to entering the worship space.
ii. This area is also required for parish ministry groups’ activities
after mass as well as coffee after mass
iii. Consider closing off other entrances except as fire exits, so all must
enter and leave from one door which encourages a spirit of community
iv. A cloak room
Note: it was agreed that the survey results indicated that renovations would not include the parish hall at this time.
Time Frame:
Next 6 months
i. visit other parishes to view renovation work
ii. generate specifications for an architect
iii. formulate a plan to communicate to the parish to bring and keep the
parish on board
Next 6-12 months
i. Contract an architect(s) with experience designing catholic churches
to compete on the project design. Fr. Bernie suggested Peter Bolland be invited
as he has already consulted for us no charge and has experience designing
churches such as St. Joseph’s. Fr. Bernie has also been offered a
free day of consultation by another firm.
ii. cost out the winning design
iii. present plans & cost scenarios to parish
Committee Membership:
i. Invite someone to chair this committee.
ii. Invite professionals to our monthly meetings for their input, i.e. lawyer,
civil engineer, architect and others, as needed, or invite them to sit permanently
on the committee
Next Meeting:
Friday, August 25th, 10:00 a.m. – meet in church parking lot for tour
of St. Thomas the Apostle 750 Centre Road, Waterdown (Fr. Joe Durkacz)
Thursday, September 14th, 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. - discuss Altar, gathering area
and Narthex
Wednesday, October 11th, 7:30 – 9:00 p.m. - discuss Meeting Rooms
and office space
Wednesday, November 8th, 7:30 – 9:00 p.m. - discuss storage space
Thursday, December 14th, 7:30 - 9:00 p.m. – bring in experts to discuss
our ideas
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Church Renovation Committee Meeting #2
Sept. 14, 2006
Present: Fr. Bernie, Sean Farrelly, Vicki Veri, Marie Gazzola, Ralph Tersigni, Martin Grey, Therese Wright
Opening prayer – Vicki Veri
Election of chair and core committee
Decided to defer this to a future meeting so that people would have a chance
to respond to our appeals for a chairperson and members to sit on the core
committee.
1) Bulletin ad placed the weekend of Sept.9th/10th
2) Fr. Bernie’s homily appeal weekend of Sept 16th/17th
3) Communication piece to be mailed to all registered parishioners
This ensures that the “Renovation” committee is not seen as
a “select” group with an “agenda”, but rather that
the process of selection has been an open, inviting and transparent process
to all parishioners.
Therese to call all persons who have indicated interest and have been receiving copies of the past meeting minutes to determine whether they would like to continue on this core committee or would prefer to sit on a sub committee to give input into an area of special interest.
Process for Feedback and Decision Making
Through open communication with all registered parishioners, for each of
the following issues current limitations and desired changes will be identified.
1) Sanctuary
2) Narthex (gathering area)
3) Storage Space
4) Office Space
5) Meeting Rooms
6) Financial Plan
In order to bring closure to each issue, the
committee will follow a decision matrix.
In time, as the decision matrix is completed for each issue, the official
plan will unfold and the issue will not be reopened. The decision matrix
has yet to be developed, however the following have been put forward as
food for thought.
1) Does the desired change benefit the target group (users)?
2) Is it user friendly?
3) Does it restrict some users?
4) Is it flexible to future modifications?
5) Is it cost effective?
6) Does it fix the “whole” plan?
7) Does it create added value?
Sub committees may be struck to delve into an area to study with members having a special interest or skill in that area. The core committee may take the recommendations from the sub committees but are responsible for making the final decision.
Methods of Communication with Registered Parishioners
1) Mailings
Decided that regular mailers to all registered parishioners were necessary to ensure that those who do not come to mass regularly are kept informed and invited to provide feedback. It is deemed worth the $600 investment in postage to maintain an open and inviting communication to all those with an interest in the parish. Some of this cost could be offset by having these communication pieces labeled by last name and placed at the main entrance of the church for pick up over a weekend. Those not picked up would be mailed.
2) Web site for summary of committee minutes and copies of mailers
3) Reports from the pulpit
4) Dedicated bulletin board
Goal of Renovations
Modernize in keeping with spirit of Vatican II.
Next Steps
1) Weekend of Sept 16/17 - Fr. Bernie to address modernization and desire for all parishioners to become engaged in the process.
2) Saturday, Sept 23rd 10:00 a.m. - Committee to meet at Ralph Tersigni’s home,17 Walnut Drive, to draft a draft a communication to parish. Contents would include: - History of parish
- What we’ve done to date
- 6 silos, and for each, history of why we have this type of structure, the limitations of the current situation and why we need to change
- Invite people for core committee and as sub committee
- Invitation to an open house
- Make another appeal for a chairperson and people to sit on the core committee or offer their talents for a special interest in a sub committee.
Next Meeting: October 11th
7:30 – 9:00 p.m. Community Room
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Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting #3
Sept. 23, 2006
Present: Fr. Bernie, Vicki Veri, Ralph Tersigni, Martin Grey, Catherine Feren
Next Steps
1) Saturday, Sept 23rd 10:00 a.m. - Committee met at Ralph Tersigni’s
home to draft a communication letter to parish members. After much discussion,
a letter was formulated that seemed to cover all the areas as suggested
at the September 14 meeting. C. Feren will make some changes and additions
as recommended by the members of the committee and forward to all for final
review. It is hoped to have this letter out to parishioners in the next
few weeks. It was suggested that these letters should be available at the
back of the church for pick up for 2 weeks and then those remaining mailed
out.
2) Open house – Discussion ensued surrounding the importance of holding
an open house so that parishioners could view the church and associated
areas as they exist, hopefully to help reinforce the areas of need. V. Veri
suggested that a handout be available at the open house to further explain
the areas of need and to provide something for the parishioners to take
home and think about further. V. Veri volunteered to prepare some preliminary
notes on what this handout should contain. M. Grey volunteered to begin
taking photographs to supplement the open house presentation and possibly
the handout.
3) It was suggested that we ask a representative from the Finance Committee
to attend our next meeting as we do need some guidance regarding the financing
of any proposed project.
Next Meeting: October 11th, 7:30 – 9:00 p.m. Community Room
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Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting #4
Oct. 11, 2006
Present: Fr. Bernie, Marie Gazzola, Catherine Feren, Vicki Veri, Rodney Bell, Bill Dubuc, Ralph Gorgi, Ralph Tersigni, Therese Wright
Parish letter
Additional committee members
Parish Open House
Criteria for 5 areas of Focus
Next Meeting
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Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting #5
November 9, 2006
Present: Fr. Bernie, Marie Gazzola, Catherine Feren, Vicki Veri, Rodney Bell, Ralph Gorgi, Ralph Tersigni, Therese Wright
Reviewed the draft church tour brochure
Feedback included:
1. A need to base all we do in architectural renewal on our parish mission
statement and the spirit of Vatican II. This would be put on the front page
of the brochure.
2. Let the brochure have an area for people to provide their comments.
3. Decided we would not include the rectory as part of the tour.
Therese will write a final draft and circulate to all for feedback before
sending it to the office for printing and folding.
Logistics of the church tour
The tour will take place on Sunday November 19th from after 11:00 mass –
1:00 p.m.
Brochures will be handed out to all present
Rodney would speak from the front with a few words about
Guides will be stationed to begin at the following points:
Someone needs to stay in the office at all
times for security.
Guides will stay with their group and take them to all 4 areas of the church
described above. All tours will end back in the church proper to view the
PowerPoint presentation and encourage feedback right there or as per the
instructions in the church tour brochure.
Parish prayer
Discussed the need and desire to have a parish prayer prayed regularly at
mass just as we did the Diocesan anniversary prayer. This would create awareness,
unite the community in this project and keep us open to the Holy Spirit
as we build consensus and move towards an outcome that keeps us faithful
to our parish mission statement.
Additional committee members
Ron Langel expressed interest in joining the committee. He will be added
to the email list and notified of future meetings.
Next meetings
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Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting #6
Saturday, November 18, 2006
Present: Fr. Bernie, Sean Farelly, Marie Gazzola, Ralph Tersigni, Therese Wright
Next meeting, Thursday, November 14th at 7:30 p.m. – Discuss the document “Criteria for Modernizing the Church Buildings” forwarded to all by Catherine Feren. We are to be very specific in this document because this is what we will forward to the architects.
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Spiritual
Architecture Committee Meeting # 7
Dec. 14, 2006
Sanctuary & Nave.
Narthex
Office Space
4 offices averaging aprox.12’ x 12’ for pastor, assistant pastor,
lay assistant and a volunteer coordinator.
Next Meeting
Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting # 8
January 4, 2007
Present: Fr. Bernie, Mary Lynn Woods, Rodney Bell, Therese Wright, Wayne Young, Marie Gazzola, Vicki Veri, Catherine Feren, Martin Gray, Ralph Gorgi, Magee McGuire, Bill Dubuc, Sean Farrelly
Review of Dec. 14, 2006
Meeting Minutes – see revised meeting minutes
In response to our request at the last meeting that we receive approval
from the bishop to move ahead, Fr. Bernie read the letter from Bishop Tonnos
that was written to him after their meeting in May 2006. The bishop gave
his approval to Holy Rosary parish to proceed to the next phase by inviting
a minimum of 3 architects to articulate what we would like to do. At this
time Fr. Bernie was given a copy of the functional program that St. Thomas
the Apostle parish in Waterdown had prepared that gave their own specifications
from which the architect drew up plans. The bishop advised that we use this
as a template for our own needs.
We discussed that it was important to add to the functional document that
environmentally sound principles are incorporated to this structure. e.g.
mass chapel used during week so the church nave and sanctuary are not heated
all week long.
Continuing from our last meeting, we discussed meeting rooms, storage space and “other” as follows. This to be part of the specifications presented to architects.
Meeting Rooms
Three meeting rooms (besides the parlour or hearth room in the general office
area)
a. Minimum 20’ x 25’ with one child washroom and storage
For the Catechesis of the Good Shepherd level 1 and future levels 2 and 3. Foresee using this room 4-5 times per week in 5 years as the program grows Program in future will run day time and evenings. The children gather outside the atrium before the session begins so a gathering area should be away from people traffic and distractions. The gathering area should be large enough to seat 8 children and 2 adults on child size chairs in a semi circle and would also be the place to hang up their coats and store boots.
Sunday School can also make use of this room. This room would require a child height sink with 4’ of counter space and cupboards above and below.
Should be a dedicated space and used as a meeting room for other purposes only as a last resort. Prefer windows to the outside to bring in natural light.b. 2nd and 3rd meeting rooms to accommodate 40 people each. Architect to determine whether the rooms can be sound proofed with a divider so that it can be made into one large room when required, or whether it would be more economical and practical to make them two separate rooms.
Requires access to an adult washroom on one end and to the children’s washroom on the other end, as it would be used by Children’s Liturgy on Sunday. Both rooms require telephone and cable outlets, audio visual equipment and storage space.
o For chairs and tables where required
o Benevolent fund
o Near entrances for shovels and salt
o For music equipment
o Art and environment
o For each committee e.g. CWL, Seniors,
o Custodial closets with slop sinks
Other
Add air conditioning to existing Nave and sanctuary
Before the Next meeting on Feb.8th 7:30 pm
Note: Rodney on holidays Jan. 10 – 24. Please email him before he goes away. His email is rodney.bell@sympatico.ca. After this, send Wayne Young your ministry criteria at Wayne.young@honeywell.com
Next Meeting – Feb.
8th 7:30 p.m.
1. Print off these minutes as well as the agenda sent to you
2. Articulate the priorities – as decided from the town hall meeting.
3. Structure of the sub committees
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Spiritual Architecture Committee Meeting # 9
February 8, 2007
Present: Fr. Bernie, Marie Gazzola, Ron Langel, Wayne Young, Rodney Bell, Martin Gray, Bill Dubuc, Therese Wright, Magee McGuire
Opening prayer
Sub-Committees
Sub Committees – Next Steps before March 15th
i. Recruit members from the parish for your sub committee
ii. Meet once before the next Spiritual Architecture Steering Committee meeting on
March 15th.
iii. Discuss the purpose of your group as described above
iv. Put together a course of action
v. Choose a chairperson. This person will also sit on the Spiritual Architecture Steering Committee and report to the steering committee on the activities and recommendations of your group.
Time Frame to Develop
the Plan
Agreed that the “Approximate Schedule to Develop Plan” is reasonable
and may have to be adjusted over time. This document was sent to all Spiritual
Architecture Committee members as an attachment with the agenda for the
Spiritual Architecture Meeting for Feb.8th)
Review of the Draft Specifications
Document
(a.k.a. Report Detailing the Requirements and Recommendations for Alterations
to the Church and Associated Facilities- revision 1, 1 February 2007)
Priorities
As a group we need to articulate what our priorities are as decided from
the parish town hall meeting last February. i.e. if funds are limited, where
do we focus? We decided to separate meeting space from office space.
“1.” is the top priority and “5.” is the lowest priority.
1. Redesign the worship space to bring the presider closer to the people
2. Narthex or gathering space
3. Meeting space for children/youth and other ministries
4. More office space
5. Storage space
Other:
Bill Dubuc distributed an article entitled “A Hospital Construction
– The Sequence of Events”. It highlights the sequence of major
events and decisions that are associated with such a project. This will
also give us a sense of the project nomenclature.
Magee McGuire, with the help of Cecilia Meiering, built a small scale model of the current church interior with moveable pews to help envision possible changes to the church interior. Fifty hours of work! Thank you Magee. This was viewed by all at this meeting and left in the care of Mary Lynn and the priests for viewing.
Next Meeting of the Spiritual
Architecture Steering Committee
Thursday, March 15th 7:30 p.m.
Sub - Committee chairs to attend and report on their first meetings.
Wayne Young to take the minutes of the meeting in Therese’s absence
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UPDATE OF SPIRITUAL ARCHITECTURE COMMITTEE
March, 2007
Unfortunately, there were no official minutes for the last meeting of the committee, but here is an update of where we stand at the end of March. This includes the last committee meeting plus work done since then.
Design Requirements
The second and nearly final version of the report on the Parish Requirements
is completed, and has been shown to three architects who feel it is adequate
in scope for their needs.
Architect Selection
We have interviewed three architects who have prior experience with the
renovations of catholic churches, with the intent of selecting one to do
the design work. Their names are:
David McAuley
Paul Bollard
Roger Farwell (of Walter Feddy)
A decision will be made when we get the go ahead from the Bishop.
Fund Raising
Attached is the draft Fund Raising Plan, that has been derived with consultation
with two people who have been directly involved with recent fund raising
efforts at catholic churches in this Diocese. .......................................................................................................
Other Committees
There is now no communications committee since Ron has withdrawn. We need
help in this area. If any of the committee has any ideas, please let me
know (RPB).
The prayer committee hopes to meet for the first time after Easter.
Letter to Bishop
There is concern that our fund raising may conflict with the fund raising
efforts at the Church of Our Lady. To ensure that this will not be the case,
Fr Bernie is writing to the Bishop, requesting is consent to start the project.
It would be very detrimental to our fund raising efforts to have to delay
until the Church of Our Lady has completed their campaign. Hence a tentative
date of October to start the main fund raising, as shown on the schedule.
Once we hear from the Bishop, we will start the ball rolling. There is a
great deal of work to be done, so I hope we are all ready to make a great
effort.
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Spiritual Architecture Steering Committee Meeting # 11
May
22, 2007
Present: Fr. Roger Yaworski, Joe Waters, Bill Dubuc, Magee McGuire, Tony Bonaventura, Wayne Young, Martin Gray, Therese Wright, Rodney Bell, Vicky Veri.
1. Opening prayer: “Prayer to the Holy Spirit to Guide our Parish Decisions”, led by Rodney Bell.
2. Bishop’s letter
Bishop Tonnos has given Holy Rosary parish his approval to proceed to the
next phase of retaining an architect to begin work on a preliminary design
concept. Once a preliminary design has been developed, we have been asked
to have it reviewed by both the Diocesan Building Committee and by Monsignor
Murray J. Kroetsch, Diocesan Director of Liturgy before we proceed further.
There were some questions around projections of church capacity as well
as how the project would be financed.
Rodney has returned a call to John O’Brian to answer those questions.
3. Communicating “Next Steps” to the parish
How & Who?
1. A Pulpit discussion from Fr. Bernie at this time would be most effective. 2. Written communication developed by Joe Waters and Wayne Young.
o A graphic of the process and time lines (an enlarged version could be displayed in the foyers of the church)
o Will reference the past processes in which parishioners gave input.
Communicate that we selected The Walter Fedy Partnership. This is a larger organization that provides both architectural and engineering services and is located in Kitchener. Roger Farwell is the architect who spoke with us. He is a practicing Catholic and very familiar with the diocesan requirements and Catholic church design. He is currently involved with renovations at St. Anthony Daniel church in Kitchener, where the design was revamped several times until it fit the budget. He has been awarded the work; however the contract is yet to be negotiated. o Parallel to the design process will be the Financial Feasibility study lead by Joe Waters. (It is important and reassuring to state Joe’s qualifications) o Describe briefly how the Financial Feasibility study will be done. o When architecture plans are ready, the fund raising plan will be ready.
o A Town hall meeting should be scheduled for early fall to show architect’s drawings as well as the results of the financial feasibility study and next steps. This will be another opportunity for parishioners to give their input. The architect should be on hand for this meeting. o A second town hall meeting will be scheduled for late fall/early winter to show final plans and costs. o Will attempt to keep this communication succinct yet general, because details are not yet available.
Note:
Start Fund Raising Plan
Below are the responsibilities of the Fund Raising Sub-Committee
1) Financial Feasibility Study
o Parishioners representative of our Parish make-up by age, gender, marital
status, length of time as a Parishioner, etc. will be approached to be part
of a feasibility study. Of course, parishioners can also nominate themselves
to be part of the study. Fund raising volunteers will be trained to interview
those selected to determine their financial commitment for this project.
From this outcome we will have a good measure of the funds that can be raised
and adjust our plan to that budget.
2) Project Parish Growth
This was a question posed by John O’Brian from the diocese and one
we agreed we should have a better answer to in terms of determining our
future
capacity needs.
3) Fund raising with the rest of the
parish
Go back to the parishioners and let them know the next stage before the
fund raising starts. This would happen at the first town hall meeting in
the fall.
4) Develop a brochure for the canvassers
This brochure should capture essential information such as the projected
growth of the parish as well as the vibrancy of the many ministries of this
community. Canvassers would go to all registered parishioners whether or
not they regularly attend.
Sub-Committee Reports
1. Architect is selected
2. Fund Raising going ahead
3. Design Specification
The functional document is an ongoing living document. Still require input
from the music ministry. Wayne to follow up with Mary Lynn. Suggest that
this functional document be offered to those who want to read it. Can make
it available on the website or a few hard copies available from the office
or Wayne could email it to anyone who wants it. Wayne and Bill to work on
a cleaner revised document before it becomes widely available. Wayne to
include the “Blue Sky” input from the parishioners.
4. Needs assessment
Completed by Marie Gazzola. Input from all ministries except music.
5. Prayer group
Will meet soon. It was suggested a parish prayer be made into a bookmark
and handed out to all at mass.
6. Communications
All Communications will come out of the Fund Raising group from now on.
Next Meeting of the Architect Selection Sub-Committee – next meeting we will have the architect & project supervisor present and negotiate the contract. Also review the functional document with him.
Next meeting of the Spiritual Architecture Steering committee will be called when we have something concrete to discuss.
Spiritual Architecture Meeting #12.
January 7, 2008
Present: Fr. Bernie Carroll, Rodney Bell, Ana
Maria Bell, Bill Dubuc, Marie Gazzola, Martin Gray, Joe Waters, John Miller,
Leo Yaskowich, Rusty Lovelock, Allan Wilke, Vicki Veri, Hugh Peloso, Ken
Kroeger , Wayne Young, Joe Martin, Barb Bishop, Therese Wright, Catherine
and Mike Feren, Ralph Tersigni.
Opening Prayer
Objective of this meeting
is to reach a consensus around the following two questions:
1. Do we proceed as planned?
2. Would a portable be a temporary help to alleviate the meeting space shortage?
Rodney re-iterated the reasons we are
considering architectural changes:
1) Worship space should reflect our beliefs - “full, conscious and
active participation by the worshipping community is the primary reason
for gathering.”(Vatican II) That is the reason one of the main focuses
of the proposed changes is to bring the altar closer to the people.
2) Make our space more welcoming; therefore a larger narthex (gathering
area)
3) Need more space for staff and ministries to meet. Youth are meeting in
the main foyer of the church. Are we saying this is good enough for them
when one of the desires of the parish is to expand youth programs?
Does our building currently reflect our desires?
We want to make some changes but with a feeling that the parish is behind
it. Tonight we need to reach a consensus as to whether or not we go ahead
and print material and move forward with the 75 family survey to determine
how much money we can raise.
The first part of this meeting was spent listening to each person articulate his or her own thoughts as well as the feedback they received from parishioners about the current design, its costs and how we should proceed. Each person stated the committee(s) in which they were involved. The overall views expressed were as follows:
•The community presentations were excellent.
•200 people turned up for the 3 Community meetings out of 850 who attend weekly masses. Some concern that not many younger families participated in the community meetings but also an understanding of their time constraints.
•Maybe the 200 people who attended the community meetings were not such a bad representation after all if we consider that we receive 400 weekly envelops. Also, looking at the mass attendance of 800 per weekend minus the children gives an idea of total potential donors. With these two points in mind, then the total number of families represented at the community meetings is actually more acceptable than first thought.
•People are concerned about the total $5 - $7 million estimated cost of the architect’s rendering.
• Nothing has gone out to tender so the cost is on the high side. This is only the architect’s cost estimate.
Preliminary estimates are that we could raise about $2,000,000 from the 400 parishioners currently using envelopes. This is based based on a 5 year commitment.
• 20% of the people give 80% of the money, so the burden would be on a few. However, when we say that we are only meeting the ongoing needs of the parish from our weekly collections, that is to be expected. The parish is not a profit oriented business and we should expect to break even. It’s a good thing that we just meet our expenses every year. Why would we be generating more than we need from our weekly donations? People will not contribute if we don’t have an identified building project.
Recent fund raising for smaller scale projects is encouraging. Was this because we had a focused goal and financial target? For example, the $20,000 campaign for the piano raised $22,000. The new priest vestments were all paid for by private donations. The recent campaign to pay for the new sacred vessels is seeing most of them being paid. When an appeal was made to buy CBW III for the pews, the hymnals were paid for right away.
If the person approached in the parish survey does not support the entire plan, then we should ask, “What part of the plan are you most willing to support?”
• Go ahead with the 75 family survey to see how much we can generate and what people are willing to donate for this project over and above their weekly donations. We are not just presenting a building plan to build for what we need today but for what we think we will need as we move forward into the future.
• The parish survey would also uncover what needs there are in the parish.
There is a sense that we also need to look at the types and numbers of programs we are currently offering as well as invest in staff to carry this parish into the future.
The parish survey of 75 families needs to answer the question, “What does this parish really need?” Are we currently trying to do too much but not really meeting the needs of the parish?
Change is not readily acceptable to older people. We must be very sensitive to that because they are the bulk of our attending parishioners.
The parish needs more education on what we want to do as a community and what are our needs. For example, some say we need a parish nurse. People don’t understand why our church would offer such a program because the public community already offers this. Perhaps we do need this, but we need more education/communication on how that (or other programs/staff) can be a benefit to our community.
Why not expand the rectory by putting meeting rooms above the garage? (this was proposed to the architect, but we failed to mention in our community presentations that the architect thought it would not be the most viable plan)
There are real concerns about the demographics in the diocese. Is Holy Rosary parish going to be here down the road? Are the Jesuits going to be here? Where is the deanery going to be in 5 years?
The present bishop says he won’t close any parishes. Twinning of parishes is possible. There is room for us to propose a vision for the future.
We also need to look at what programs this parish needs and use a portion of the monies raised to finance more paid positions for lay people. (paid positions could be term contract positions and not necessarily full time, full benefit positions) We are all getting older and less energetic and many of us put in a lot of volunteer hours now. It will be difficult to run a parish in the future based on volunteers who come and go. As we look to the future with fewer priests and possible twinning of parishes we will need lay people to carry on the work of the pastor and associates we have now if we want to continue to be a vibrant, caring community of faith.
We need to do a better job communicating to the people about our plan. There is currently a real lack of clarity.
Also need to communicate to other stakeholders like the families attending our high schools and elementary schools and the business community (both catholic and non-catholic).
There is a need to clarify that the architect’s diagram does not show detail. It is simply a concept drawing that encompasses all of the hopes and dreams that the parish expressed in the various workshops we’ve had over the years. This is the Cadillac design that encompasses all of that.
Suggestion that those who came together for the Hopes and Dreams workshop should gather again.
Frustration with the lack of storage space in the church. When the gifts were collected for the Tree of Hope there were a lot of volunteers to help sort them, but the group had no place to store them before delivering them. Suggested that those who have issues with space present their stories to the parish.
We need a more welcoming atmosphere in our parish; otherwise we won’t attract people or keep them.
We also need to hear from younger people, since the community meetings did not attract them.
There is also big potential for population growth in this end of Guelph. We are not promoting ourselves enough to people who move into the area.
A perception that there are 2 camps of opinion:
1) Only renovate the interior – older people generally
2) Meeting rooms and offices and outreach programs are most important – generally the younger people.
We need to continue with the whole project in all its aspects, even if it needs to be scaled down because if we only continue with some aspects of the project we may cause division in the parish between the two camps of opinion.
• The dream is so broad, so much and so costly that it is too much for people and they can’t see it. We have a lot more educating to do with our parishioners.
• Propose that we get a professional public relations/communications/marketing company to help us with this.
• The Architecture Committee spent a lot of time and money with the architect to come up with this rendering. We answered all the questions that people had. This is not the time to drop the ball. Yes it is a big picture. We need to go to the next step. Do a survey of the higher end parishioners who can come up with $250,000 or more. Until we know their support, how can we talk about scaling down? Put a marketing plan in place. Put the drawings in front of the people.
• Thank you for the tremendous amount of work well done by the Spiritual Architecture Committee.
General Group Discussion
•Don’t redo the plan.
•Why do we need more meeting space if we only have evening meetings? Why can’t we meet in the church nave?
•We need to do much more promotion to new arrivals in the city. There has been some discussion on programs for young mothers and their children. At present, the programs we offer don’t seem to be part of the main life of people in the community.
•Children’s programs should not be held in the basement but must be seen. It should be so obvious to people coming to the parish that we have children’s programs. This attracts young families.
•If the $5-$7 million plan is not doable, can we scale it back and still offer all 3 elements: 1) moving the altar closer, 2) a narthex (gathering area) and 3) a parish centre?
•Feedback from other parishes is that we must first go to the people with the ability to support with significant money ($250,000+) to really establish what we can raise. We must propose a concrete vision to them. The pastor and another finance support person must make these one on one visits.
•Establish a strong contribution base amount (from major donors and the 75 families) before going to the rest of the parish. After they can see that a big chunk is committed, the rest of the parishioners will be more willing to donate to something that is going to succeed.
•People going out to ask for financial support and who do the surveys need to be coached.
•Sell the full package as shown at the community meetings.
•We need a better marketing plan which is going to cost money.
•All questions asked by parishioners need to be viewed as input. Answer all these questions with a positive response.
Conclusion
A consensus within the group was reached.
1. To proceed with the current architectural plan as follows:
a. Put together a professional marketing presentation
b. Fr. Bernie with help, will plan to make a personal appeal to potential high end contributors
c. Survey 75 families
d. Adjust the vision depending on the results of 2 and 3 above.
2. Do not purchase a portable, but put this
money towards making the hall a little more pleasing
for meetings.
Spiritual Architecture
Meeting #13.
April 11, 2008
This meeting was called to review the letter dated March 28th, from the Diocesan Building Committee.
Fr. Bernie Carroll, Rodney Bell, Joe Waters, Ralph Gorgi, Sean Farrelly, Bill Dubuc, Marie Gazzola, Therese Wright, Wayne Young, Tom Goettler
Meeting Objective
To review the letter received, dated March 28th, from the Diocesan Building
Committee and decide on next steps. This letter is a result of the parish
presentation made on January 27, ‘08 to the Diocesan Building Committee.
This letter made four recommendations:
1. The design proposed (sketch#7 which was presented to the parish in Nov/Dec’07) was attempting to update a “pre-Vatican” structure. The cost to attain these adaptations approaches the cost to build an entirely new complex. Suggest we re-visit our goals with a view to a more modest set of objectives. 2. The parish recognize and work within the constraints of the current structure. 3. The parish develop a master plan for all components of the project and develop a staging plan based on priorities. 4. The current parish hall be considered as a possible resource to remedy parish needs.
The Diocesan Building Committee also noted in this letter that the flip side of financial attainability of the project is sustainability and that no budget has yet been presented to demonstrate the parish could afford this project on a cash flow basis.
1. Give the architect a firm project cost
2. Be much more concise in our instructions to the architect
3. Ask the architect what further drawings would cost and how that billing is phased so
that we can budget for it.
4. Spiritual Architecture Committee will meet Saturday April 19th at 1:30 p.m. in the sanctuary to take measurements and develop a more concise plan that takes into consideration the four recommendations from the Diocesan Building Committee.
As a committee, we agreed to consider:
a. Converting the parish hall to a two-story parish centre that would house office space and meeting rooms on a second floor with a parish reception area, updated washrooms, elevator and community hall on the main floor.b. Looking at Church Design 2A which was one of the preliminary designs developed by the architect that works within the footprint of the current structure. Before meeting next Saturday, we would individually think about ways to incorporate the following features into the existing footprint of the current church, office space and community room:
I. Altar on the west end of the building, in the midst of the people with pews around 3 sides of the altar
II. Narthex area facing the east parking lot
III. Retain a space for coffee after mass, connected to but not part of the Narthex
IV. Area for a new baptismal font between the narthex and nave for adult and infant immersion
V. 1-2 reconciliation rooms
VI. Visible, main floor area for Children’s programs – 1-2 rooms. This would be shared space for the 3 children’s’ programs and also used as meeting space during the week for other ministries. (If need be, the atrium of the Good Shepherd could also be housed in the renovated hall, but the Sunday children’s programs really need to be connected closely to the Nave.
VII. Sacristy / vesting area
VIII. Space for piano, organ and choir to lead
IX. Storage for choir materials
X. Storage for church décor
XI. Storage for janitorial needs
XII. Washroom facilities for disabled, men, women
XIII. Cloak room
XIV. Think about how to adapt the current crucifix in some way to into the new sanctuary
Other Discussion
1. If we do proceed with the office & meeting room space above a renovated parish hall, then consider ways both structurally and in landscape design to make it more appealing to move from the church to this parish centre.
2. Investigate various concepts in church seating. Once we have the project design costed and budgeted, we could consider replacing the current pews rather than simply altering them to fit the new sp ace. if the budget allowed.
3. It was mentioned that we should consider a sloped floor leading from the new narthex on the east end (current sanctuary) to the west end of the building towards the proposed new sanctuary.
4. Anyone not having a copy of plan 2A please call Rodney Bell. Therese has left copies of the scale drawings of the current church blueprints in the Good shepherd mailbox on the Communications board across from the parish office. This may help your planning for next week. Please pick up a copy.
5. Rodney Bell to obtain several enlarged copies of drawing 2a for the meeting next Saturday so all can use this to mark their ideas.
6. Rodney Bell will contact the architect and let him know that the Spiritual Architecture Committee is looking at Design 2A and we are working on a more accurate description of what we want to do after next Saturday. We would like to invite him to a meeting with the Spiritual Architecture Committee once we are able to better articulate what we want to see in a design.
7. Rodney Bell to contact the Diocesan Building Committee by email to update them on our response to their Mar 28th letter.
Spiritual Architecture Meeting with Choir
Let's
add this information to the other suggestions for change that have come
to us, so that we can eventually take all of it to Paul Bolland for his
consideration.
Here is what the choir members said:
Position of Piano, Organ and Instruments:
If the director is seated at either the piano or organ, then he/she must
be in view of both the choir and the celebrant.
Don't need to have the piano and organ at a higher level than the choir.
The instrumentalists i.e. flutist, violinist, guitarist need space to stand
next to the piano.
There needs to be room for music stands and instruments.
There needs to be a space for a cantor to get up and move to the place from
where they lead the congregation.
There needs to be power sources close to the piano (how many & where
& what type/for what instruments?)
Logistics of choir seating and members of the congregation in the same area.
If congregation is seated behind the choir, their view will be blocked when
the choir stands to sing.
the current design compromises the site line for people sitting along the
aisle beside the south wall.
Initially there was a sense that the choir should be seated apart from members
of the congregation, although by the end of the evening, we were discussing
that the choir should be part the congregation, leading with their voices.
This would be possible with high quality microphones dropped from the ceiling.
Allan Wilke said that there are up to 17 choir members,which includes cantors
and instrumentalists, at any one mass The 9:00 mass has the highest choir
attendance, so seating for about 20 would be needed.
At this point we don't know whether the seating will be pews or chairs.
It will depend on the money raised.
Storage:
Someone mentioned it would be nice to be able to hang up their coats near
by. The new storage for instruments, music stands, coats etc. was pointed
out from the drawing. Also shown, was the chapel area where the choir currently
resides.
Next meeting Paul Bolland
Invite a member of the choir, perhaps Connie Shaw, to attend the next meeting
with the architect so that she becomes part of the process and can keep
the choir informed.
Ask Paul for names of churches having a similar design so choir members
can go to see and are better able to envision the end result.
Conclusion
Given the physical constraints of the area we have to deal with, it will
be a challenge to incorporate all the above into the design. However, with
a choir member involved in the process with the architect, we will attempt
to make this a big improvement over the current situation. We also look
forward to input from the new Music Director.
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